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Bartlett, Tennessee Bartlett Blvd. Next to Firehouse Subs www. Alcoa, Tennessee Louisville Road www. Round Rock www. Suite McAllen, Texas N. Next to Sprouts www. Too loud shouting, not singing,But so what. We stayed at the city campground right on the lake. Rode to Plummer and coasted back 6 miles to the park. Then rode from to Harrison to mile 39 the next day. Saw two moose swimming across the water a little east of the ranch with white fences. Matter a fact they ended up across the ditch from us and when they snorted we rode fast away!
Then we moved up to Osburn to the RV park right near town. Stopped at Wallace on way down, coasted 10 miles! I like to make a game of doing things Wallace is also a very interesting old town. Some young woman stole something from a gas station so the "law" was looking for her. It was kind of funny watching them go into each business in town looking for her.
We were told the description of her so we could keep our "eyes" out looking too. Did not do the Hiawatha trail, due to shuttle bus only runs on weekends in sept.
Locals all said to do it, but we were not up to riding up hill again! Rode from Plummer to Osburn today. Wanted to go further but the temperature was around 93 degrees and it took its toll on me. The trail exceeded expectations. Paved all the way. Plenty of rest stops. We biked from Chatcolet at Heyburn State Park to the Monmount trail headabout 37 miles round trip on our recumbent trikes. I have never taken a more beautiful ride. The bridge across the lake was unique and fun and the scenery was unmatched.
We saw a moose, deer, lots of different birds and ton of wildflowers. I would definitely ride this trail again!!! Like many others here, I wasn't especially fond of the highway presence from Pinehurst to Osburn. Other than that though, it was an exceptional ride. We biked it on one of the hottest weekends of the year, and I'd really love to experience it in the fall and spring.
It's a shame that you can't camp along the way, but maybe that will change. I loved the remoteness of it and the diversity of scenery. Be sure to bring food and water. I live a mile from the trail and feel its call to run it non-stop. If your interested feel free to email me at uclabeatusc yahoo. We rode this entire trail three years ago and loved it then.
We returned this year and rode a portion of it while camping at Heyburn State Park near Plummer, and it was as nice as we remembered.
The scenery is wonderful and the trail surface immaculately kept. Lots of restrooms and picnic tables along the way. This is one of our favorites of all time.
We did get to see a moose munching on grass along the trail near Harrison. We had an outfitter drop us off at Plummer. There is a steep downhill 6 mile ride to the lake. From there on it's about 10 miles to the village of Harrison, where there are all the services one would need, including restaurants, lodging, convenient store, cafe, etc.
The ride from Plummer to Cataldo, is very rural and scenic with spectacular scenery. However, shortly past the "oldest bar in Idaho" you enter an industrial area and something that is marked and only occasionally as the "Silver Trail.
We rode the western 24 miles from Enaville to Mullan and back on what was probably the hottest day of the summer so far, mid to upper 90s and no breeze or clouds. And I thought the mountains would be cooler! Enaville had parking and pit toilets, plus a lot of local youths headed just east down the trail to a swimming hole.
We headed the other direction and didn't see how far they had to walk. The heat plus the unexpected grade the climb is not steady, it starts west of Kellogg made the round-trip a bit slower and more difficult than I expected. Still, the good condition of the pavement plus adequate restroom facilities, water and picnic tables along the way make this a pleasant trail.
Just pick your distance and you'll find a place to park and head out. Others have mentioned the presence of I nearby, but it didn't bother me. The rest of the trail doesn't seem to follow highways as closely or to be as steep. This is a trail I will want to ride again next time I'm in the vicinity. We spent the night near CdA, this year, in some hotel which will forever remain nameless and PLANNED to ride more of this trail somewhere on the eastern-end , the next morning We are definitely interested in riding this trail, from one end to the other, at some point Tons of wildlife- geese, ducks, cranes, moose, deer Lots of benches and picnic tables along the trail.
This trail was absolutely beautiful! It is such a wonderful trail even for those of us in our 70's.. The bridge is the only hard part. We did it over several days Going out 15 to 20 miles and returning. There can be no more lovely spot We just finished up a 3 day ride on the CDA trail, great family ride! The best part was that my 5 year old son was able to ride the entire length from Mullan to Chatcolet and my 2.
Arriving at Mullan the night before we started we got a room at the Lookout Pass motel, it is an absolute dive with mostly monthly rental guests, I'd stay there again but only with some of my dirt bag friends but it wasn't really fit even for my tough and hardened wife, kids didn't even notice but that one of their beauties, I will say that as horrible as the place is it is very cheap and the sheets were surprisingly clean.
Wallace is super charming and has good food to boot. The first day we rode from Mullan to Kellogg, nearly all downhill, nearly all adjacent to I90, lots of highway noise, lots of clear cuts and super fund sites That said will still do it again, smooth and downhill! If you stay in Kellogg you must eat at the Moose Creek Grill, an extremely high quality american bistro and the best restaurant by far we saw on the whole trip, their entrees and desserts are to die for, the service and owner are top notch and the atmosphere is great.
The second day we left Kellogg and rode by some more not so nice super fund type stuff with adjacent highway but for only a short while. Once you get to Enaville the trail gets very very nice, literally a hundred yards from the "Snake Pit Restaurant" we saw our first Moose, got away from the highway finally and started really enjoying it all.
We biked the beautiful and flat 38 miles to Harrison and stayed at the Lake View Lodge, really unique great rooms and views, there is a very nice public beach very close which the kids really enjoyed. The food is not so hot in Harrison, just okay bar food and pizza. The third and final day we rode about 8 miles to Chatcolet bridge, on the other side there is finally the first and only swimming beach since Harrison, what a great place to finish for us with a great swim before we returned 8 miles to Harrison for another night at the Lake View.
For a shuttle we were very happy with Lou , I drove the 1. Beware of certain young male ego maniac riders around the busy part of the trail 15 miles on both sides of Harrison , most people all females and older men actually showed respect and courtesy by slowing down to our young kids who were trying their best to hold their lines and obey the rules of the trail but on several occasions some TDF wannabes blazed by my little girl on her pedal-less bike at nearly 40mph without any consideration to the potential consequences of a collision.
Overall this is a great ride suitable for all ages and levels of fitness. If you are from a warm southern CA environment they do make snow tires with ice studs for bikes we have them in Montana which is how we ride 12months a year. Just like a car you put them on in October and remove them in the spring Hope this helps and see you on the trails Montana Rider. I see there is a question about using the trail in winter, so I checked with the local trikers there and you can ski and such When appropriate, ski tracks are laid between Enaville and Wallace.
In addition, the six miles between Wallace and Mullan is also available to snowmobilers as long as there is at least 3 inches of snow covering the paving. The CdA trail is open year round for winter recreation. Since the trail passed through towns, trailheads and road crossings, access is easy in most places.
The east end to Mullan is open to snowmobiles, snow depth permitting. Currently Jan 17 there is about 6 inches of fresh powder snow on the trail in the Silver Valley area, except where it is plowed for walking near Kellogg, ID. On the Friends of the Trail web page, scroll down a ways to Current conditions.
This is a quote: Combine them, and they may be the greatest in the world. After riding on the Route of the Hiawatha in , I became hooked on rail trails and now spend an inordinate amount of time riding on them and writing about them. I noticed that Traillink shows the Trail of the Coeur d' Alenes as being nordic ski accessible but on the Friends of the CTA website, it says the trail is not accessible in the winter. If someone knows the official answer, could you post it on the comment section of the Trail of the Couer d' Alenes page on trailsnet.
They provided a quality hybrid bike and all the gear, made our lodging arrangements, provided luggage transfers and transportation to the trailheads as needed. The grand finale was the Hiawatha Trail with it's long tunnels and spectacular trestles, unique in the Rails-to-Trails system. You can find out more information about the 5-day tour we did at http: Our favorite meal stop by the way was at the Enaville Snake Pit, a character-filled cafe along the way. Don't miss out on a visit to the historic Cataldo Mission too.
I flew up from Los Angeles one weekend in october for the sole purpose of skating this magnificent trail. The asphalt is nice and smooth all along, and the scenery is beautiful. First rode this trail in spring of and fell in love with it. So much so that we bought property half mile from the Enaville SnakePit to be able to park our 5th wheel and use the trail all summer long.
I have just passed 8, miles traveled. I ride a bike, walk the dog and until recently when I tore my rotator cuff roller blade. My wife power walks regularly. For uninterrupted long distance smooth road biking, it can't be beat. I recommend the Century from Pinehurst to Plumber and back: In fact, midweek you are more apt to encounter a moose than another person!
Harrison is the only civilization and it provides a nice break at 33 and 66 mile points. The 6 mile climb to Plumber and subsequent fast descent provide variety from the otherwise flat ride. We have driven across the top of Idaho several times to visit our daughter in Spokane and it has been my husband's dream to one day ride some of this trail.
We accomplished it this past Labor Day weekend. We did the lake section from Harrison to Plummer and back. It was nice to do the uphill portion first knowing that our reward would be the downhill ride. The scenery was absolutely gorgeous and the weather could not have been more delightful. Don't miss ice cream at the Creamery in Harrison to reward yourself. My daughter and I had hot fudge sundaes which were the best I've ever had We did several other sections of the trail as well as the Hiawatha trail.
The Hiawatha trail was a bit rougher than we had anticipated. Our hybrid bikes made it fine but mountain bikes might make the ride more comfortable. We stayed at the Guesthouse Suites in Kellog which I would recommend for location and access to the trail which is right outside the hotel.
The Moose Creek Inn in Kellog is a delightful restaurant which is also just a short bike ride from the hotel, try there Lasagna which might be the best I've had in a long time! I finally got to ride the trail in August and it was spectacular! I rode from Wallace to Heyburn State Park. I camped over night and rode back to Wallace the next day.
The scenery made the ride seem like a 10 mile ride. I never thought once about the distance that I was riding. The trail was pretty busy on Saturday near Cataldo, but wasn't a problem.
I encourage everybody to get out and ride this trail if they get the chance! We took 3 days. It was a great trip.
We had lunch in Wallace at a bar and grill. The food was excellent. It was 6 miles away from the trail, slightly uphill. The place, people and food were fantastic. Well worth the trip out of the way. Our next night was in Harrison.
Very small community, not nearly as nice as the bed and breakfast. There was instant oatmeal, coffee, and snack bars, etc. Saw lots of birds and a muskrat, but nothing larger on the trail. We enjoyed the trip, everything was clean and well maintained.
Do make sure you pack lots of water with you. Great trail for family ride. We rode downhill from Mullan to Harrison then shuttled to Plummer and rode downhill back to Harrison. Very easy, even for 11 year old son and non-biking husband. Much wildlife including moose, dear, birds, and wildflowers in July. Clean restrooms along the trail at easy intervals. Great bakeshops in Harrison and Kellogg for support and rentals.
Very friendly locals in small towns along the trail. Great little restaurants and bars along the way for refreshments. Highly recommend this trail! We biked this trail in three days in early September It is a wonderful, well-maintained trail.
Glad we did it. My wife and I just got back from a two day trip on this trail. We got a ride John at Bike Peddlers in Harrison hauled us up to the top. He runs the only transport service that I could find. Talking to him for an hour and a half was worth the price!!! The scenery was beautiful. The trail is paved the entire route. That makes for an incredibly smooth ride. We hit two minor bumps in 73 miles. We rode 57 miles to Harrison the first day and stayed in a motel with a balcony looking out over Lake Coeur d'Alene.
The next day we did 31 miles up to Plummer and back. The only uphill was the 6 miles climbing up out of the lake basin to Plummer. The return trip was a rush, coasting the first 6 miles. We didn't see a moose, but several were seen on the day we were on the trail, just not by us.
The only problem on the trail is water. None of the trail heads have water because of the fear of lead pollution from the old mine at Kellogg and the fact that the railroad used mine waste to build the track on. Therefore, either carry it with you we both had oz Camelbaks and did fine. You can get water in any of the small towns that you go thru. From Enaville to Harrison, though, there are no towns. NOT allowed because the scenery is too beautiful!!
Great ride for mountain, street, or hybrid bikes. We have a hybrid Trek tandom that was really fun to ride on this trail. Wish I lived closer so could do this ride often. The best trail that I have ever been on overall. A cycle vacation on the mile paved Trail of the Coeur d'Alenes in North Idaho is a great way to discover the beauty, rich history, culture, people, and ambiance of the seven mountain communities the trail touches.
You can easily spend a whole week exploring everything there is to do. There is a handy list of FAQs at www.
There are no water fountains at any of the trailheads or wayside stops along the trail, except here, so get water at the stores in the towns along the way. From Plummer, there's a nice seven-mile ride, mostly downhill, through a forested canyon. There are a couple of rest areas along the way before reaching Heyburn State Park on the south end of Lake Coeur d'Alene.
Camping along the trail is prohibited, except at developed sites, and Heyburn has lots of them. The three-mile hike at Indian Cliffs Trailhead is a great place to get an overview of the surrounding mountains and waters. The trail crosses to the east side of the lake in the park over Chatcolet Bridge, which once swung open to let steamboats through on their way up the St. It was retrofitted as part of the rails-to-trails conversion with a kind of stairstep design that offers a bit of respite from the climb up and lots of woop-de-doos on the way down.
The first 15 miles of the trail are on the Indian reservation so the rest stops are named in the Coeur d'Alene language and the interpretive signs point out places of significance to the tribe.
Find information about the tribe's involvement with the trail at: Harrison to Cataldo On the edge of the rez is the quaint town of Harrison, with restaurants, an art gallery that features regional talent, historical museum, shops, live music, wine tasting, cycle rentals, flat water kayaking, a public beach, and a variety of lodgings, including a campground right on the water. There are bike racks all over town to welcome cyclists and a lot of riders can be found parked in front of the Creamery and Gig's Landing enjoying ice cream treats.
After Harrison, there is a mile stretch through a remote area with no services, other than the wayside rest areas, some of which have restrooms, so you will definitely want to make sure your water containers are full. There is a spacious campground here along the river and a homey inn where you can get a bite to eat.
It features Idaho's oldest existing building, a rustic, but elegant cathedral constructed by Coeur d'Alene Indians and Jesuit Priests in the mid It may be the only place you'll ever see a ceiling stained with huckleberry juice.
A favorite stop along the way is the historic Snake Pit restaurant and bar where the North Fork of the Coeur d'Alene River flows into the main stem. There's another tempting detour here, six miles upriver to the Country Lane Resort, where guests can enjoy a fully outfitted float down the North Fork or a fishing trip to a backwoods pond stocked with trout. Pick huckleberries, play Frisbee golf, hunt for geocaches, or trade your trail bike for mountain bike and zoom down 4, vertical feet back to Gondola Village.
One of my favorite tours in the Valley is the Crystal Gold Mine. There is even free camping for self-contained RVs here. This is the "metro" section of the trail, in other words, you'll be riding in proximity to traffic on I and have access to lots of goods and services.
Don't miss the Staff House Mining Museum at the Silver Mountain Trailhead for a historical ground truthing on the area you are riding through. Step Back in Time in Wallace Further east in Wallace you will discover a veritable collector's paradise with shop after shop packed with fascinating antiques and one-of-a-kind finds.
Is that a spaceship in front of the Red Light Garage restaurant? There is a lively theater troop here, so take in a rollicking show at the Sixth Street Theater, check out the Northern Pacific Railway Museum, take historic tours on trolleys with guides dressed in period costumes, or just relax at a sidewalk table at one of Wallace's great restaurants and admire the Bitterroot Mountains that circle the town.
This two-mile trail ends at an old mine tunnel where 45 firefighters and two horses sought refuge from the Great Fire of , which burned a whopping three million acres in the Bitterroots during one horrible weekend years ago. Oh, did I mention that Wallace is the alleged "Center of the Universe? Mullan and Backroads to the Route of the Hiawatha The last stop on the trail is the old mining town of Mullan six miles shy of the Montana border.
Add your name to the guest book of trail riders from around the world at the Bitterroot Coffee house. The Captain John Mullan Museum is the cultural highlight here, but it's only open on weekdays. Some travelers continue on to Lookout Pass and the Route of the Hiawatha through backcountry trails from Mullan.
Directions on how to do this are provided by volunteers of the Friends of the Coeur d'Alene Trails at: This group of trail supporters also publishes a fine trail map, so check out their website. Maries, near Heyburn State Park. Everyone is saying great things about the Trail of the Coeur d'Alene's, and these are just some of the gems to discover along the way.
We have ridden this trail twice, first in and then again in I have described both approaches below. The 72 mile paved trail extends from Plummer, Idaho to Mullan, Idaho. The natural scenery is wonderful and osprey, eagles and moose sitings are common. A trail map is available on the Friends of Trail of the Couer d'Alene website and a free trail map which includes mileage between trailheads and an overall trail elevation picture can be requested from the same website.
The trail is located in Idaho's Silver Valley from which the largest amount of silver has been extracted in the world. The original rail line was built on contaminated silver mine trailings and later capped with the asphalt trail used today. Because of the contamination that is under the trail, trail users are encouraged to stay on the trail and to not drink the water.
The trail itself is smooth and meticulously maintained by the Couer d'Alene tribe and the Idaho Department of Parks and Recreation. Sure, one can ride the entire trail from start to finish in one day but consider riding this trail over two or three days and take in some local activities on each day. We changed our approach after learning that a foot section of the trail had washout in which we would not be able to bypass.
Our new approach ended up being a great way to ride the trail. Our new plan was to stay in Harrison mile Harrison has a beautiful view of Lake Couer d'Alene.
We rode from Harrison mile We drove to Kellogg, checked into our hotel and explored Kellogg. Kellogg lodging options include the Silver Mountain resort and also the Guest Inn other options are also available, check those out, too!
Kellogg has a ski resort and access to the world's longest gondola is literally at the front door of either of these lodging facilities listed. The gondola runs in the summer so one can ride to the top for the view or take a mountain bike up and ride down.
The Couer d'Alene trail runs past these facilities. We road from Kellogg mile On our return bike ride, we stopped in Wallace mile We also took the town trolley tour and silver mine tour.
The silver mine tour is lead by a miner, who operated equipment for us, and told us about the Sunshine mining disaster in the area.
We spent another night the night in Kellogg. We saw a moose enjoying the water this day. The night before we began our ride, we stayed in Harrison. We had a non-riding member who ferried us to the Plummer trailhead in the morning. The roadway to Plummer does not parallel the trail so it was a little out of the way to drive to the trail head. If we were to do this approach again, we would ride our bikes to the Plummer trail head for an additional We rode from Plummer mile 0 to Kellogg mile We had two moose sitings this day.
We rode from Kellogg mile We had saw a mother and calf moose this day. This trail needs to be in the Rails to Trails Hall of Fame. It has one of the best combinations of scenery and good trail surface of any trail in North America. Day Three and we head out from Killarney Lake to explore. Checked out camping at Rose Lake. You cannot trust the tent symbols on those maps unless you have a second source. Close to freeway and the trail.
Too good to be true. Looks like a good place to ride up the river to Enaville TH We moved on, exploring up the valley and landed at the Enaville Trailhead. This trailhead has some features not found in the average facility. It may have been a cat house and rowdy groggery Back When, but there sure were a lot of bikies pedaling over. Perhaps it was the Cold Beer on the sign. The day was hot. Park the van, assembly the folding mountain bike, equip it and head SW, down the river.
This is a pleasant and quiet rural ride through pine forests and meadows along the river, with the hills crowding close to the trail. The river meanders in a series of loops down to the Chain Lakes. The vistas here were a little closer than found in the Chain Lakes.
Found that there is a pit stop at the Cataldo TH. They also have shade, which was welcome as the day was HOT. The one adventure was on the way back: Everyone else has moose pix.
There were enough moose tracks on the trail. Now something ahead was browsing in a thicket along the trail. Could have been a horse. There are ranches along this stretch. Looks like a horse. However, does the average horse have one of those straggly chin beards that the teens grow? TB snaps a pix and slowly pedals off. Moose continues to feed. Pedal on to Enaville, pack up and head up into the Silver Valley to explore trail heads.
Things are getting civilized. Plummer Canyon, the Lake, the Chain Lakes and the River sections of the trail have been rural or forested, quiet, good scenery. Now we are heading for the Silver Valley section — cars, shops, homes, people, noise, fumes and such. The trail runs alongside a Wal Mart Superstore in Smelterville and the trail head has an expresso stand next door. There might be some benefits to a bit of civilization. Not only is there an expresso stand.
That head frame and ore car display conceals an RV dump station in the back. It takes looking to find the actual trail head — which is not at the Kellogg Depot — a charming HQ for the Chamber of Commerce. You get a boring parking lot and trail head sign. You can do better. After you check out the depot building, base here. Here are some URLS that might help your planning. There are eight DeLorme topo maps with trail and facilities overlays that cover the whole trail. I downloaded a set and used these for the rides.
Had to go commercial. Exit 54 out of Kellogg. Not flossy, but I have a van, not a big RV. We came back on Day Four after exploring the upper valley and tourist things by van. I would expect to try them again next season. Did not try them, so no reviews, but it has a handy location. Down by the Depot in Wallace, which had an adverse review, is located just up the road from the Wallace Trailhead. You can see it from the parking lot. It is a glorious ride.
The depth of the facilities is amazing. There are twenty developed trailheads and seventeen trail waysides along the route. You can roller blade this stuff.
An experienced roadie can doubtless do the whole thing in one day. Or you can take your time and enjoy the views. The trail can be divided into several sections, each a nice ride: On Day One I climbed up to Plummer, coasted back down, then headed up the lake for a bit.
See it on YouTube. No one seems to do the Ascent to Plummer. Just find the right gear and do it. A gravel parking lot with one trashcan? Even the waysides have more facilities. I was managing about 8 mph uphill a geezer on mountain bike loaded with gear. There is water at the Plummer trailhead at the top, so enjoy. Water points are rare. You will not find this in the remote regions. Coming down, my max speed was 22 mph and I cruised at a comfy 17 mph.
Some have two tables and benches. Water is normally not available, so carry it. Camping on the trail can be had at Heyburn State Park at the base of the lake. Ahead is the Chatcolet Bridge — which is fun. The approaches are done in a series of ramps and flats up to the swinging center section. Going down you can almost grab some air. If they would do lips on the ramps for some lift — but never mind.